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  • Monroe is one of my favorite characters. I have that thing for damaged male characters who go off the rails not because they have that dangerous bad boy quality but because they didn't start out evil and hateful and that so many bad things happened to them that all they know how to be is angry.

    Monroe was a good guy (albiet at times a terrible friend when it comes to women coming between him and Miles) who lost his whole family in an instant. He's an intensely loyal friend who will follow you into the gates of hell without question. He's just a dog without his best friend and he couldn't cope with the weight of leadership. Monroe's done evil things but all he ever wanted was a home and a family. Now he's lost and he doesn't care if he dies. 

    I hope Monroe can find his way back to himself before the Black Out. Maybe Charlie can help him.

    What do you think?

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    • The way I see it 'Bass' represents his good side, and 'Monroe' his bad side. Also, his good side has shown up at times, like when he helped Charlie after the shelf fell on her in the Tower.

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    • I agree. He has that double personality thing going on.

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    • It would be interesting to find out if he was always like that or if it started after the Blackout.

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    • Dictators are known to lose their minds. They get paranoid that someone will kill them. I would get paranoid and I'm the sanest person in my family! Monroe's just a lost and damaged soul.

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    • Well, Monroe's paranoia is kind of reasonable, as Miles did try to kill him before.

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    • That's true. But he let that paranoia consume him which alienated him from his army.

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    • Unfortunately, crazy people with access to large armies tend to be a bad thing...

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    • True that, True that...

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    • i hope that Bass does win against Monroe because at his core Bass is a good man and Miles' betrayal shook him to his core which caused the borderline split personality. Some think that Bass has more than brotherly feelings towards Miles but i think he's fixating on where everything went wrong. I think some time with Charlie will be good for him because he may gain a better understanding of why Miles fought against him and rejected him and Charlie might learn that Monroe isn't Adolf Hitler 2.0. Also, where is the "i'd follow you to hell" bit?

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    • I think Monroe is like Vegeta by dragon ball z.

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    • I think they are building to a possible romantic arc between Charlie and Monroe. In addition to the journey from New Vegas to Willoughby, Charlie still has traits of both her parents and Miles meaning that forgiving Monroe isn't beyond her, also the love he would recieve from Charlie as well as becoming a part of the Matheson family would be enough to fill the hole left by the death of his family and Miles' abandonment of him.

      In fact a large portion of Monroe's current character could be rooted in Miles' actions. He claimed by Monroe's execution of the bomber's family he knew Bass was gone but had he actually decided to talk to Bass and make an effort to work on the issues that led to the execution he could've prevented the events of the next four years and possibly made the Monroe Republic a better force. Rather he chose to hold a gun to his best friends head and then abandon him without giving his reason, a traumatic experience for Bass and a somewhat selfish decision on the part of Miles.

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    • personally i don't feel like miles has any reason to doubt bass, he was always loyal to miles no matter what except from when he slept with his girlfriend but miles slept with his brothers wife so he's in no position to take the high ground there.

      but bass has always stuck by miles and never gave him reason to doubt him but miles has betrayed bass, abandoned him and attempted to kill him more than once.

      in my opinion miles should be trying to earn back bass's trust.

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    • 109.157.40.166 wrote:
      I think they are building to a possible romantic arc between Charlie and Monroe. [...]

      Really? He's 25+ years older than her. Plus, I don't think Bass' bad side will ever go completely away.

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    • M67PattonZippo wrote:
      109.157.40.166 wrote:
      I think they are building to a possible romantic arc between Charlie and Monroe. [...]
      Really? He's 25+ years older than her. Plus, I don't think Bass' bad side will ever go completely away.

      Since when did age matter in a relationship? People are often in relationships with people 40+ years their own age. I agree Bass will never be completely Bass again but in the Post-Blackout world there is almost no one who is completely good, however compared to the war clans, rapists, abusive partners, murderers and many many other sorts in the world after the Blackout, Bass is a catch.

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    • Just a quick post from myself (big fan and expression reader). Monroe is offended by most of it, which you can see in his face expression (by the actor). He is being blamed. His big ego of being at fault and also his best friend being wanted, this is what drives him and only that. Of course he wants to redeem himself (we dont need to discuss the possibility of complete redemption), BUT the most important thing to him is to kill the bastards nuking the place. And he will stop at nothing. The last episode (end of it) showed that he will stop at nothing to achieve this. Now we could discuss about 2 different things:

      1. Does Monroe joining Miles darken Miles again, to become a ruthless Soldier with assasinations and other covert/nasty operations to start the war(< i bet on it)?

      2. Will Miles be able to change Monroe or/and forgive him and/or shoot him this time (in the end) ?


      Sorry but i think you are all missing the point (very sorry).

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    • 80.153.142.71 wrote:
      Just a quick post from myself (big fan and expression reader). [...] Now we could discuss about 2 different things:

      1. Does Monroe joining Miles darken Miles again, to become a ruthless Soldier with assasinations and other covert/nasty operations to start the war(< i bet on it)?

      2. Will Miles be able to change Monroe or/and forgive him and/or shoot him this time (in the end) ?

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      Interesting points. If you are that much into this show, go ahead and make an account here. I really hope Miles doesn't go bad again, because we saw what it did to him years later (alcoholic, on the run). I think Miles might be able to redeem Monroe, but total redemtion is out of the question. He might have to kill him eventually.

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    • I'm not a fan of wikia and regestration needs ; but to build / expand my case some more:

      Monroe will clearly taint the view of Miles. He already did, by shooting the "Texas Ranger" (< i just love this xD), and pointing out this is the way to get Miles HIS war which they/he wants to start. So Monroe fullfilled the wish of Miles in a very direct way. You can discuss the means of this action (which are clearly wrong), but you could also discuss what will/wouldnt be happening without this action. Meybe by shooting this one man and framing the patriots thousand of other people are saved from programming / assasinsation / other plots (i'm still a fan of poison in the water(which never happened(yet)) and other evil doings.

      Going back to Monroe, he only once saw what become of him when Jerenmy Baker confronted him, before getting shot by Monroe, that he would be left alone if he shoots his last true friend and becomes even more paranoid and destroying what he worked for. That was a wrong judgment call, a big one which made him go drunk and dull his senses. A Monroe with all his senses sharp and only tuned to get what Miles want (he doesnt really care that he is framed i take that back), his own name is tainted beyond help, but he dont want to go silently without a big bang and to show the world that he was indeed what they said about him, but never what they now framed him for.

      >>Short of all above: Monroe is on the team for something that looks like redemption, but in reality it is more about what his name and work stand for. His Monroe Militia, his symbol. He doesn't want that to be gone into the books as only murderers. They had some very fine laws and order. <<

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    • I agree; he's trying to clear his name and get revenge on the Patriots at the same time. The Militia/Republic was originally meant to keep people safe, but something went very wrong.

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    • So the question now is: How far will he go until he sees his goal reached?


      In the next episode Monroe is going to be executed. But at that specific time he can only make peace with (i'm certain) all his unsupervised/evil doings, when he led his commanders do what they wanted, and he himself also didnt cared much and did unforgetable nasty things. He will accept these charges and will also be delighted(?) by closing that chapter once and for all and be forgiven by god by him bein executed.

      BUT he is not at peace with the ungodly act of the nukes executed by the patriot organisation, which will conflict him and i guess this will make some pretty opposite reactions. Like calm about what he did, and he will say that he did what he thought was best in a calm way, but getting enraged about the bombs(nukes) and maybe trying to kill some folks while being accused of it.


      Still the same  me ;)

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    • Eyeah, I don't know if God would forgive him. He would probably be relieved to be going out when his good side is back. I agree, he hates the Patriots. His last words could be very interesting...

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    • I am still hoping that somehow Aaron will use his power to save Monroe after he is executed. That is a little on the super natural side, so I am guessing they won't go that route but Revolution without Monroe doesn't seem like a very good show. There is always hope that his son will be just as crazy as he is.

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    • This is about Monroe and his redemption (how people view him).

      Sorry but i totally hate this Aaron guy (wizard of google thing) and his new "abilities" it just doesnt fit in to much (i like the idea of small machines in the air...and how they evolve okay but a human interface....).


      We could add a status on his "redemption level/meter" on how the people see him:

      Hell --0-- Redemption


      Miles:  -0--- needs him, but doesnt believe in his redemption but trusts him enough atm

      Neville: ----- he will come in handy some day and he knows Monroe is innocent

      Rachel: 0---- she depised him for everything bad he has done clearly

      Charlie: --0-- he saved her and he told him that he and Miles make a good team

      Aaron: -0--- aaron is aaron....

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    • 80.153.142.71 wrote:
      This is about Monroe and his redemption (how people view him).

      Sorry but i totally hate this Aaron guy (wizard of google thing) and his new "abilities" it just doesnt fit in to much (i like the idea of small machines in the air...and how they evolve okay but a human interface....).

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      Well, J.J. Abrams compared this show to Lord of the Rings, so maybe Aaron could be seen as a beginner Gandalf--before he masters his powers/magic/whatever. I am really interested in how the Nanites/fireflies/Aaron all link together. Suspension of disbelief is key to enjoying fiction--Lost, for example, was an exercise in patience.

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    • I have noticed how there's a lot of controversy about Monroe achieving redemption. I would like to point out how that just yesterday, I received a "Star Wars Insider" issue that discussed the question of Darth Vader's redemption with eight authors. What's the relevance to this? Well, Eric Kripke did say at one point that he wanted "Revolution" to be comparable to "Star Wars". Whether he succeeded on that score is debatable, but comparisons can still be made. That, and a number of points about Vader can applied to Monroe.

      First, the show will likely consider Sebastian Monroe officially redeemed. However, this does not simply wipe clean the consequences of his actions. He still survived, and in fact did face exile, imprisonment, and execution in that order. Of course, he is still alive, as some screenshots have spoiled.

      Second, Eric Kripke and J.J. Abrams run the show, and what they say goes. You're not required to agree with them, but redemption of a character depends on the decisions of those running the show.

      Third, ask yourself this: what is redemption? That is a fundamental question that will have different answers, I guarantee it. However, the classical English definition of the word is "purchasing back". What did Monroe purchase back? He is starting to atone for his crimes, and he has a lot to atone for.

      Fourth, is Monroe truly remorseful? I think so, because the last thing he said before he got injected was "I'm sorry." It's pretty ambiguous if he meant indirectly causing Danny Matheson's death, or just in general. An apology does not erase what he has done, but as that comic book character V said, "It's never too late to apologize!"

      Fifth, redemption requires a realization of how wrong the actions were, regret those actions, possibly beg for forgiveness from the appropriate parties, and do whatever it takes to redress those wrongs. Monroe has taken steps toward those four criteria but he's not quite there yet.

      Sixth, is Monroe performing noble actions to achieve redemption? Sadly, killing John Franklin Frye to start a war, as well as killing that one Patriot soldier to get intel don't really come across as noble.

      Seventh, society demands that a person be punished for a past wrong, regardless of how s/he conducts hirself in the present. A debt to society must be paid. So a big question to ask here is this: should redemption be achieved through punishment or a change of character? Eric Kripke and J.J. Abrams apparently believe it's both.

      Finally, does Sebastian Monroe deserve to be redeemed? You need to think about the atrocities Monroe committed, and then ask yourself if you forgive him, and if you think a reasonable judge and jury would let him walk. Clearly, the judge and jury decided not to let him walk, even though we don't know if he was being punished for murdering John Franklin Frye or for his general atrocities.

      I admit, I said a lot, but a lot needed to be said. (Grin)

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    • "wizard of google thing" wath a trllo..

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      Sixth, is Monroe performing noble actions to achieve redemption? Sadly, killing John Franklin Frye to start a war, as well as killing that one Patriot soldier to get intel don't really come across as noble."" like ppl Usually says..killing one to save many..no that is noble..the Patriots are not real Patriots..

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    • Okay and now we come back to long answers with deep meanings.


      Miles told Monroe that he has a son and he hid him from him because he became a danger for everyone around him. Now with the newest (he is alive but only appears to be dead) episode we clearly must ask ourself again "can" he redeem himself with the new anger inside of him that his son was taken away from him. He(Monroe) has a lot of fury inside of him and i guess the war isnt his only priority. Biggest problem atm is if the "team" can find a way or method at all to fight back against the patriots, these have (so it seems) soooo MANY damn spies in every corner and it is almost unbelievable, and they need more intel so they can fight back in an efficient way.


      I have high hopes that Tom Neville will reunite with the rest of the "team" against the patriots because he is a father with only one thing to lose and the most dangerous one in the team when it comes to reckless tactics and cunning mindgames.

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    • Monroe is becoming one of my favorite characters  in the show, but I wouldn't trust him ... yet. I think he has some mental problems ; not sure what his agenda is; but he is much more likable now, so... If there is no love interest for him  and there is no Jason Neville around I don't see why Monroe and Charlie cannot be romanticly involved?

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    • Monroe finding his son should humanize him; allow him to become 'Bass' again. Provided the writers don't kill the only member of his family still alive, then Bass has a real chance at making amends. He's genuinely saddened by the deaths of his people (and blames himself), yet stands by his own actions towards the rebels and "traitors". So there's some serious stuff he needs to work through before he can be a good father and officially redeem himself. But if Miles can make up for his own villainous acts, at least in the eyes of the primary characters, then there is still hope for Bass. The pair of them never were bad guys, just misguided extremists in over their heads. 

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    • i totally see monroe doing everything to redeem himself to the crowd... through connor. using connors connects monrow can pull some cards maybe with some loyalists up north? Perhaps if monroe comes asking for a favor with an army they cant say no- but for story building- maybe in the past monroe conqured land and sold it to the highest bidder. Those bidders people like that heroine pimp in the masnion.... More story could be monroe took land sold it and just got greedy for more land.

      I would say the great lake area would be the perfect monrow loyalist thing. The money tha could be made from that area is ridicuous. Maybe it was his main money maker, everyone there was rich and loved him.


      after all all we know is the perpspctive from the people in the republic that didnt have a good life. sure there are people there who have it good

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    • I have to say that it was quite impressive that Monroe pulled a Darth Vader on his son Connor twice in the same episode. First, by saying "I'm your dad." Second, by saying something along the lines of "Join me, and we'll rule together as father and son."

      I'm not gonna lie, the first thing I thought when Monroe made his offer to his son was "No, no, no, Monroe! Shame on you!" Then I thought, "You're supposed to redeem yourself, not slide back into your crazy and evil ways!" Well, I guess it just shows that the road to redemption is going to be a long one for Monroe.

      Now, if it turns out that Monroe does have some loyalists, even after all this time...well, that could change things. I mean, Team Matheson is trying to fight the Patriots, but they are only one group against a large army. An army of Monroe loyalists could even the odds. Hmm.

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    • 198.254.240.217 wrote:

      Now, if it turns out that Monroe does have some loyalists, even after all this time...well, that could change things. I mean, Team Matheson is trying to fight the Patriots, but they are only one group against a large army. An army of Monroe loyalists could even the odds. Hmm.

      fm007: Same guy here. Exactly! a team of forced loyalists maybe. they mentioed boston when philly was threatended. perhaps that is an area of monroe loyalists?

      The greak lake area today if it were run together can you imagine? If monroe got that started and was supplied the whole area water etc he would be loved. Sure the poor people hate him. But the rich i can guess wouldnt. I definetly see this happening.

      Maybe monroe gets in bed with the mexican government... Sail right up the gulf with an army and kill the patriots with mexicna soildrs. Aparently itts one of the wealthiest republics.


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    • Well, first you have to ask yourself: What is "redeemable"? Who was he before, who is he now, and who would he have to become in order to be considered "redeemed"? What made him change from being a "drunk womanizer" (as Rachel put it) but a generally likeable guy to a ruthless, paranoid dictator? I guess I'd have to say a lot of things.

      First off, for him to be redeemed, he'd have to be brought back to his old, "good" self. Well, his old self was naturally passionate -- he was loyal to Miles and everything he did was for him (as stated in 1x20). However, this led to his paranoia. If he somehow manages to get rid of his paranoia (which is unlikely since so many people actually are trying to kill him), he'd return to the way he was before -- doing anything to protect the ones he loved. See how that worked out.

      Second, what is redeemed for Monroe? He can't give back all the lives he took, all the pain he caused, the carnage left in his path. Sure, he may get forgiveness from the people he cares about. He may defeat the Patriots, and he may get hurt. Yes, this would "even the score"; that would cancel out his wrongdoings, maybe (depends on how you look at it -- killing more people for a greater cause is still killing more people, isn't it?) However, even doesn't mean redeemed. If redeeming one's self means reverting back to how you were before you were "bad", that isn't physically possible for Monroe. He can't just erase his dictatorship from history.

      Third, is Monroe truly sorry? Maybe. But sorry for what? Sorry to Rachel, to Charlie, to Miles? Sorry to the world? Okay. But why would he ask Connor to rebuild the Republic? I posted before that he may not actually want to rebuild it, and just want to get close to Connor, but if he is looking for redemption, he'd have to actually start being a generally good person, not just to the ones he cares about.

      The dictionary states that to redeem something from sin is to sacrifice something else. In that case, Monroe's true redemption may only come when he is dead.                                                                                                                                                                                           

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    • I AM TRULY FED UP WITH WRITERS 'EVENING OUT THE SCORE' BY KILLING OFF CHARACTERS. DEATH DOES NOT EQUAL REDEPTION!! BUT STAYING ALIVE, PUSHING THROUGH THE PAIN AND HATE PEOPLE HAVE TOWARDS YOU, AND ACTIVELY DOING GOOD LEDS TO REDEPTION. THAT IS ASSUMING THE CONCEPT OF REDEMPTION EVEN EXISTS. MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE AFTERALL. WHAT'S EVIL TO SOME IS ACCEPTIBLE TO OTHERS.

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    • 58.166.121.181 wrote:
      I AM TRULY FED UP WITH WRITERS 'EVENING OUT THE SCORE' BY KILLING OFF CHARACTERS. DEATH DOES NOT EQUAL REDEPTION!! BUT STAYING ALIVE, PUSHING THROUGH THE PAIN AND HATE PEOPLE HAVE TOWARDS YOU, AND ACTIVELY DOING GOOD LEDS TO REDEPTION. THAT IS ASSUMING THE CONCEPT OF REDEMPTION EVEN EXISTS. MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE AFTERALL. WHAT'S EVIL TO SOME IS ACCEPTIBLE TO OTHERS.


      Easy does it on the Caps Lock, man.

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    • The fact he wants to restart the Monroe Republic with his son shows he is currently irredeemable.

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    • I think he has learnedly from his mistakes. I also think when he rebuilds the Rebulbic he will be a better leader and it will be more of an oligarchy.

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    • One more thing, he is not a bad guy in the first place, he was a man trying to protect who he cares for. Hes a good man with a bad past.

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    • good for you............

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    • Well sorry

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    • I love Miles and Monroe as brothers, Miles could have easily taken Monroe's offer to join him and then told him that they do it Miles' way. Miles made stupid decisions and they need eachother.

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    • (I know this is old now)



      Monroe is my favourite character from this show and true he went a little off the deep end after Miles tried to assassinate him but hey with those damned rebels skulking around trying to reclaim their dead empire... I mean what's an honest dictator supposed to do? He he.

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